EP 54: Cis Allies Special feat: Owen Jones & Josie Long!

So this was a bad news week. But whilst it is so easy to hate certain cisgender people (f**k you Liz Truss) Michelle and Ashleigh reach out to some astonishing cisgender allies!

This week we talked to Josie Long and Owen Jones about how they became aware of trans issues, why all is not lost at the Guardian and why Michelle should make another podcast about terrible video game movies!


  1. Owen Jones

    Owen has been banging the trans drum for years. Do all these things!

    FOLLOW HIM: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84
    BUY HIS BOOK: https://www.waterstones.com/book/this-land/owen-jones/2928377045791
    READ HIS COLUMN: https://www.theguardian.com/profile/owen-jones
  2. Josie Long

    Josie is funny and very fucking cool. Do all these things!

    FOLLOW HER: https://twitter.com/JosieLong
    WATCH HER: https://www.twitch.tv/josie_long
    GIVE HER MONEY: https://ko-fi.com/josielong
  3. Editors details

    This episode was put together with a bunch of editing from the following people. FOLLOW THEM.


    Follow Person here: https://twitter.com/benswithen
    Check out their cool as fuck podcast here: https://twitter.com/CowChildrenPod

    Chai Tiefling

    Follow Chai Here: